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		<title>Web promotion by submitting to search directories</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 15:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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      <span class="largetext">Why do you have some directories that what you to pay them and also you should have a reciprocal link that does make much sense at all?[/i]</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">Some directories have high PR, and directory owners assume monetary values.  This is why some directories only accept paid submissions.  With regard to reciprocal link directories, it's meaningless if you're submitting to acquire IBL.  What you want is one-way IBL, not reciprocated IBL.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">so its pointless paying and letting them have  reciprocal link</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">1. Submit to free directories first and foremost.
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2. If you have money, then submit to paid directories (that do not require reciprocal links).
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3. Ignore directories that require reciprocal links.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">  <blockquote><span class="smalltext">quote:</span>   <hr>  <i>Originally posted by seo</i><br>1. Submit to free directories first and foremost.
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2. If you have money, then submit to paid directories (that do not require reciprocal links).
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3. Ignore directories that require reciprocal links.<hr></blockquote>      SEO you have said it all.  
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IMO directories are only important for brand new sites that you have to get indexed.  After that more natural linking will help you better in terms of SEO</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">  <blockquote><span class="smalltext">quote:</span>   <hr>  <i>Originally posted by capebretoner</i><br>IMO directories are only important for brand new sites that you have to get indexed.  After that more natural linking will help you better in terms of SEO<hr></blockquote>      
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Google is acting up weird, so it's kind tough for us to determine what exactly we should be doing to achieve high rankings in SE.  However, content creation won't be wasted in the long term because quality content will be valued no matter what.  Links, on the other hand, can be interpreted very differently in the coming years.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">Exactly, that is why I mention natural linking.
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And the best way to get natural links is by having content that people will want to link to <img src="images/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" />
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Google is always going to try to pick the best content, but the only way that they can find the content is by links from other websites. <img src="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /></span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">  <blockquote><span class="smalltext">quote:</span>   <hr>  <i>Originally posted by capebretoner</i><br>Exactly, that is why I mention natural linking.
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Ok, here's an important question.  Let's say that I keep growing this forum and other forums.  Do you think that people will start linking to these forums without my asking?  If so, when?</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">  <blockquote><span class="smalltext">quote:</span>   <hr>  <i>Originally posted by seo</i><br>  <blockquote><span class="smalltext">quote:</span>   <hr>  <i>Originally posted by capebretoner</i><br>Exactly, that is why I mention natural linking.
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And the best way to get natural links is by having content that people will want to link to <img src="images/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" />
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Ok, here's an important question.  Let's say that I keep growing this forum and other forums.  Do you think that people will start linking to these forums without my asking?  If so, when?<hr></blockquote>      
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sure people will start linking this forum when you start having lots of members who participate regular on your forum. i had a website for about  a month and the website wasnt being index by any of the three search engine. but after a couple days of adding it to my sig in a popular forum it got index by msn and yahoo <img src="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /></span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">  <blockquote><span class="smalltext">quote:</span>   <hr>  <i>Originally posted by Excelsior</i><br>... but after a couple days of adding it to my sig in a popular forum it got index by msn and yahoo <img src="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /><hr></blockquote>      
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... but not indexed in Google ... yet?</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">  <blockquote><span class="smalltext">quote:</span>   <hr>  <i>Originally posted by seo</i><br>  <blockquote><span class="smalltext">quote:</span>   <hr>  <i>Originally posted by Excelsior</i><br>... but after a couple days of adding it to my sig in a popular forum it got index by msn and yahoo <img src="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /><hr></blockquote>      
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... but not indexed in Google ... yet?<hr></blockquote>      
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yep google hasnt index it as yet, that shows you something is really up with google, as google has alway index my website before yahoo.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">  <blockquote><span class="smalltext">quote:</span>   <hr>  <i>Originally posted by Excelsior</i><br>yep google hasnt index it as yet, that shows you something is really up with google, as google has alway index my website before yahoo.<hr></blockquote>      
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Ok, that makes me feel better.  I have a new site as well, and this is the one; <a href="http://news.allthedestinations.com/" target="_blank" class="postlink">http://news.allthedestinations.com/</a>.  It's indexed in Yahoo and MSN, but it's not indexed in Google.  So ... something funny is going on ...</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">yes google is acting pretty weird as i have add two new article to my website at the same time and google has index only one. there is something really wrong with google at the moment. <img src="images/smiles/icon_twisted.gif" alt="Twisted Evil" border="0" /></span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">Im not sure about google acting up, but all I know is if you get linked from a pr 6 site, your site gets indexed right away.  Guess your new sites needs to be submitted to some directories with HIGH PR.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">I never submit to paid ones, since there are so many good free ones. You should always check if directory is not banned and if there are indexed pages in google. If so go and submit it doesn't matter if pr0 or 10 just submit and forget about it.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">No it really does not help SEO. It makes html clean I agree but come on if you make target=&quot;_blank&quot; .... then you cannot validate your xhtml design. That is stupid, but most rules are <img src="images/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /></span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">I do yes, however when it comes to having to do it to a forum system i dont as i feel it would be such a complicated task to perform.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">unless you use punbb.org <img src="images/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /> It is xhtml/css compliant ! 
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      <span class="largetext">I check every so often, its really not that important to me.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">I always code to be valid. The first time I did it as a challenge and ever since it's been reflexive. I advise it to everyone because valid sites are usually cross-browser compatible (except for IE because IE just sucks with CSS).</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">Yes too many hacks ... and if you want your beautiful site to work with IE validation is not 100%</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">  <blockquote><span class="smalltext">quote:</span>   <hr>  <i>Originally posted by iatbm</i><br>Yes too many hacks ... and if you want your beautiful site to work with IE validation is not 100%<hr></blockquote>      You can make it work, but you often need to find a workaround and approach html coding a little differently.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">I put a site through a validator once and never returned after seeing all the errors.  I've got too much to do without worrying about that right now.  Very sloppy I know but I'll worry about it if it becomes an issue.  What are the major concerns with not completely compliant code?</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">  <blockquote><span class="smalltext">quote:</span>   <hr>  <i>Originally posted by Zerabira</i><br>What are the major concerns with not completely compliant code?<hr></blockquote>      
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The site doesn't look consist in different browsers and OSs.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">No. I don't care about this and nor do my clients. I make unique layouts and make sure the sites look very good and function as they should in mozilla firefox and IE. Validating the code is not something I pay too much attention. I don't have the time for this</span></td>
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		<title>How to pick a good domain name</title>
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      <span class="largetext">I focus on what my content is about and try my best to get something related to that content of my site.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">Do you ask around in various forums?</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">If I think I need to I will. Depends on what type of questions I may have and what kind of information I find related to the site.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">Sum up all of the content on your site in a short word or phrase. I usually come up with a title, which I often use as a basis for the domain, before I think of all the content though, so this is never an issue.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">I just go to <a href="http://www.whois.sc" target="_blank">www.whois.sc</a> domain suggestion tool and type in keywords. I get some examples there and then either I use suggested ones or make my own combination</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">I tend to try and get names that relate to the product on offer. Up to yet I have managed to get some good names, but it is getting harder and harder to find very good names. It takes a few hours of brainstorming names and keep trying there availability.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">It is best to go with keyword ofcourse but like you said it is very hard to get good domains. And a lot of them are registered and just sitting empty. I don't like that politics of parked domains <img src="images/smiles/icon_sad.gif" alt="Sad" border="0" /></span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">I think that since keywords are getting harder and harder to come by I am looking for names that I can market.  They just have to be short and catchy.  Something like Fark.com etc...</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">or iollo.com <img src="images/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /> .... i really like that one hehe I registered it and put some content sitting there hehe 
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      <span class="largetext">basic rules for me have always been short but descriptive, easy to spell and on either a .com or .co.uk
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      <span class="largetext">Shorter the better, easy to say out loud in one phase with out having to explain bits of of it, relevant keywords.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">  <blockquote><span class="smalltext">quote:</span>   <hr>  <i>Originally posted by Zerabira</i><br>Shorter the better, easy to say out loud in one phase with out having to explain bits of of it, relevant keywords.<hr></blockquote>      Yeah, I agree though this site has a pretty long domain name <img src="images/smiles/icon_sad.gif" alt="Sad" border="0" /> .</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">Google Checkout from Paypal if Google ever make this kind of paying system ? 
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      <span class="largetext">Direct deposit works fine, but I do think that Google should give another payout option like PayPal.  I'm guessing that Google doesn't want to make PayPal payout option available simply because they want to offer their version of PayPal only.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">Google sure has the resources to do that and I really hope they will offer this kind of service. If they do I bet the next thing is that they will start selling something  <img src="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Very Happy" border="0" /></span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">I'm not that crazy about their future, and I mentioned a couple of times in this forum already, but I don't know why so many people think Google is such an amazing company.  I mean, search engine is the only product that has a solid market share and creates a platform to generate revenue, i.e., AdWords.  Google has nothing else right now.  Yahoo has a bunch of revenue sources.  So does Microsoft.  Even eBay does more than just online auction.  What's so special about Google?  Google has no track record other than SE + AdWords.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">Well still Google makes more than competitors. It is not that people think it is such amazing company. Simple thing is that people believe and trust google. And they have a lot of other products.
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<a href="http://www.google.com/gmm/index.html?utm_source=us-et-more&amp;utm_medium=et&amp;utm_campaign=gmm" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/gmm/index.html?utm_source=us-et-more&amp;utm_medium=et&amp;utm_campaign=gmm</a></span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">Probably just acquired some company and branded as &quot;Google XYZ ...&quot;
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      <span class="largetext">Well from your point of view ok, but what about us who can't receive payments through paypal ?  <img src="images/smiles/icon_twisted.gif" alt="Twisted Evil" border="0" />  
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      <span class="largetext">  <blockquote><span class="smalltext">quote:</span>   <hr>  <i>Originally posted by iatbm</i><br>Well from your point of view ok, but what about us who can't receive payments through paypal ?  <img src="images/smiles/icon_twisted.gif" alt="Twisted Evil" border="0" />  
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      <span class="largetext">Any competition for paypal is good, multiple options is obviously better (in a similar vien I long to see a non US alternative to adsense).  I've also heard of people having their accounts limited by paypal once they reach a certain ammount of turnover.  Has anyone had any experience of that?</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">Well from what I read on sitepoint forums, once they hit a certain money figure, possibly transactions via paypal or receiving payments.  They weren't totally clear in their post though so that's all I know.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">Sure there must be some limit until you are verified by paypal !
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      <span class="largetext">I will probably not switch for a long time.  I have everything set up nicely in PP.  It will take even Google a couple of years to get everything figured out and all of the bugs out.
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      <span class="largetext">Usually a year, it all depends</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">Hi
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In my case - never, I have never been able to get in for any of my sites  <img src="images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="Rolling Eyes" border="0" />  It is a shame as once in the dmoz directory is syndicated everywhere on 1000s of sites. One link there and you get loads of inbound links.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">None of my sites were ever added <img src="images/smiles/icon_sad.gif" alt="Sad" border="0" /> Theres a site i owned (still online) which i submitted around 2-3 years ago and it still isnt listed.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">I'm guessing that getting listed in DMOZ can bring up your TrustRank and it really helps your SERP in Google, but a year is a long time to wait.</span></td>
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The timeline is not necessarily a year, it can be hours, days, weeks, months or year(s) - it all depends on how active the category manager (volunteer) is at dealing with new submissions. It is always worth the effort to try and get into the directory - I've failed miserably so far though  <img src="images/smiles/icon_cry.gif" alt="Crying or Very sad" border="0" /></span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">  <blockquote><span class="smalltext">quote:</span>   <hr>  <i>Originally posted by highpeak</i><br>It is always worth the effort to try and get into the directory - I've failed miserably so far though  <img src="images/smiles/icon_cry.gif" alt="Crying or Very sad" border="0" /><hr></blockquote>      
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      <span class="largetext">I submitted one of my sites last year, as far as I know it's still not listed... I've been doing fine without it though, you probably shouldn't get too caught up on it. There are other high PR directories out there... Then again, I haven't submitted to any of those <img src="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Very Happy" border="0" />.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">I am not overly bothered, but the real power of dmoz is the fact that it is syndicated across many websites, 10's of 1000's of websites. I even used to have dmoz showing in one of my sites. The script running this showed the directory exactly the same as at dmoz itself but on my URL. So, if you can get into a high level part of the directory in dmoz then you will benefit from the high google PR from dmoz itself, but also, from many other sites that have achieved good google PR on the higher categories. This way you receive many 1000's of link backs all of which have your anchor text. That can only be good news.
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      <span class="largetext">I had one site that got in within a month.. it really depends on the category and the editor in that category.
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      <span class="largetext">There are suppose to be higher ranking editors who handle the duties for their sub-categories until an editor is recruited for those areas.  Unfortunately, I don't think that is the case with every section and there are probably a few sub-categories that have been neglected.  I'm sure that is a small minority, though.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">Yes, many catagories are very neglected - some editors very rarely do any work, IMHO DMoz needs to take action against them...they shouldnt be given editor privilages if they cant be bothered to do the work.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">I do not mind the fact that DMOZ is not as well-maintained as, say, uh, Yahoo directory.  What bothers me is that the fact that Google makes an entire copy AND THEN it uses DMOZ as the quality indicator.  This is not the most ideal model, IMO.</span></td>
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		<link>http://forum-spotlight.ecommunitydevelopment.com/2006/10/12/web-promotion-utilizing-forum-signatures/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>webmaster</dc:creator>
		
	<category>Web Promotion</category>
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	<category>Free For All Links</category>
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      <span class="largetext">I'm not sure they carry much PR or anything like that, but I don't think they do any harm.  If I did, I wouldn't bother with one... <img src="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" />
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      <span class="largetext">It adds up over time, IMO.  There are a set keywords that I'm targeting using signature links, and I'll see what happens.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">Be sure to report back - Sig links are more for humans than search engines though.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">Hi
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As your presence becomes more frequent on a forum and the advice you give is good then I think out of curiosity people click through a sig link to see what you are about, what you do etc</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">I'm not convinced on how beneficial they are as far as anchor text is concerned.  Their main benefit IMO is just through other forum members seeing them and clicking through.
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      <span class="largetext">Signature link is great ! .... first you get some visitors, second you get backlink, and third most important ... you can really get spidered quickly if you have signature on forum with a lot activity. 
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Secret is more activity forum has ... more are SE spiders over it !</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">Signature links really do work well. If you're helpful, or just a good poster, people will probably click the links. It also does help your search engine ranking, at least on popular forums it will help.
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      <span class="largetext">  <blockquote><span class="smalltext">quote:</span>   <hr>  <i>Originally posted by SKETCHi</i><br>On sites like SitePoint and NamePros a signature link can be very good, especially if you're active and post in active topics.<hr></blockquote>      
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      <span class="largetext">I've never really thought about it, i know that a few of my members found me because of a sig link, so i guess it isn't a bad thing.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">There is no harm in having signatures. They can only benefit you in many way so why don't spare a few minutes and put the signatures <img src="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" />
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      <span class="largetext">  <blockquote><span class="smalltext">quote:</span>   <hr>  <i>Originally posted by contactsonia</i><br>BTW, why I am not able to hyperlink in my signatures? Any ideas?<hr></blockquote>      
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... trying using [ url ][ /url ] in addition to [ b ][ /b ].</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">I think that sigs are no harm to the admin but some users insist on them.  There was a lot of negative feedback when sitepoint made their sigs nofollow.
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      <span class="largetext">  <blockquote><span class="smalltext">quote:</span>   <hr>  <i>Originally posted by capebretoner</i><br>I think that sigs are no harm to the admin but some users insist on them.  There was a lot of negative feedback when sitepoint made their sigs nofollow.
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Google counted IBL coming from sitepoint, and sitepoint had very high PR.  You can actually get your new site listed in all search engines pretty easily and you can also get some PR just by using sig links in sitepoint.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">I actually just put a link in my sig at DP if I ever want to get a page indexed.  I make a couple of posts and BANG a day later the site is indexed and usually cached.</span></td>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>webmaster</dc:creator>
		
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      <span class="largetext">Probably via Poker and online gaming...quite a bit of dosh there!  <img src="images/smiles/icon_mrgreen.gif" alt="Mr. Green" border="0" /></span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">Ok, sure, pornography and gambling sites generate a lot of revenue and profit.  I don't think that anyone disagrees.  What are others?</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">Unique, content-rich sites.  Get high traffic to them in and you'll be 'quids in' with good AdSense integration.
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      <span class="largetext">big forums <img src="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /> with 100k+ members and 5-8 adverts on every page, you will make in excess of 40k a month.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">I agree a trusted forum with a big and active membership could potentially be a goldmine.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">  <blockquote><span class="smalltext">quote:</span>   <hr>  <i>Originally posted by rmwebs</i><br>big forums <img src="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /> with 100k+ members and 5-8 adverts on every page, you will make in excess of 40k a month.<hr></blockquote>      
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Well look at Martin Lewis of MoneySavingExpert.com, he has got there because he appears on TV, the radio, magazines and newspapers... that particular forum has a massive membership well in excess of 100K
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      <span class="largetext">  <blockquote><span class="smalltext">quote:</span>   <hr>  <i>Originally posted by highpeak</i><br>For mere mortals without the aide of TV, radio, newspapers etc it is almost mission impossible.<hr></blockquote>      
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digital point
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      <span class="largetext">OK fair enough... it is possible then, I suppose being first in your field and also on a popular subject does help immensly</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">Many of webmaster forums accumulate so many posts quickly.  For example, I have five forums, and this forum is growing at the fastest pace by far.</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">Porn and gambling sites are a given... I think AdSense and YPN can earn you a good amount of money if they are integrated well. I just started making mini sites, kind of as a test to see if I can make some easy money. You can see what I'm talking about <a href="http://www.mesotheliomakit.com/" target="_blank" class="postlink">by clicking here</a>.
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The best way is to come up with a unique and very popular idea. A great example is <a href="http://www.good-tutorials.com/" target="_blank" class="postlink">Good-Tutorials.com</a>. The owner, Zach Holman, was (as far as I know) the first person to create a tutorial indexing site. As a result, his site became insanely popular and he makes thousands in revenue each month. He makes over $4,000 each month from text ad sales alone...</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">I think some of the boards like sitepoint and digital point have benefitted from being in early.  Digital point has also done well through the associated tools that he offers.  These examples show it can be done, but it's a very, very small % that make it THAT big.  I think it requires a little luck also...
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      <span class="largetext">hmm, how about posting your resume online and getting a high-paying job</span></td>
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      <span class="largetext">  <blockquote><span class="smalltext">quote:</span>   <hr>  <i>Originally posted by frankcow</i><br>hmm, how about posting your resume online and getting a high-paying job<hr></blockquote>      I think we're all discussing how we can make money on our own rather than make money while we're employed.</span></td>
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