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Web promotion by submitting to search directories

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Author: Excelsior
Post Subject: Directories

Why do you have some directories that what you to pay them and also you should have a reciprocal link that does make much sense at all?[/i]
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Author: seo
Post Subject:

Some directories have high PR, and directory owners assume monetary values. This is why some directories only accept paid submissions. With regard to reciprocal link directories, it's meaningless if you're submitting to acquire IBL. What you want is one-way IBL, not reciprocated IBL.
Author: Excelsior
Post Subject:

so its pointless paying and letting them have reciprocal link
Author: seo
Post Subject:

1. Submit to free directories first and foremost.

2. If you have money, then submit to paid directories (that do not require reciprocal links).

3. Ignore directories that require reciprocal links.
Author: capebretoner
Post Subject:

quote:
Originally posted by seo
1. Submit to free directories first and foremost.

2. If you have money, then submit to paid directories (that do not require reciprocal links).

3. Ignore directories that require reciprocal links.
SEO you have said it all.

IMO directories are only important for brand new sites that you have to get indexed. After that more natural linking will help you better in terms of SEO
Author: seo
Post Subject:

quote:
Originally posted by capebretoner
IMO directories are only important for brand new sites that you have to get indexed. After that more natural linking will help you better in terms of SEO

Google is acting up weird, so it's kind tough for us to determine what exactly we should be doing to achieve high rankings in SE. However, content creation won't be wasted in the long term because quality content will be valued no matter what. Links, on the other hand, can be interpreted very differently in the coming years.
Author: capebretoner
Post Subject:

Exactly, that is why I mention natural linking.

And the best way to get natural links is by having content that people will want to link to Wink

Google is always going to try to pick the best content, but the only way that they can find the content is by links from other websites. Smile
Author: seo
Post Subject:

quote:
Originally posted by capebretoner
Exactly, that is why I mention natural linking.

And the best way to get natural links is by having content that people will want to link to Wink

Ok, here's an important question. Let's say that I keep growing this forum and other forums. Do you think that people will start linking to these forums without my asking? If so, when?
Author: Excelsior
Post Subject:

quote:
Originally posted by seo
quote:
Originally posted by capebretoner
Exactly, that is why I mention natural linking.

And the best way to get natural links is by having content that people will want to link to Wink

Ok, here's an important question. Let's say that I keep growing this forum and other forums. Do you think that people will start linking to these forums without my asking? If so, when?


sure people will start linking this forum when you start having lots of members who participate regular on your forum. i had a website for about a month and the website wasnt being index by any of the three search engine. but after a couple days of adding it to my sig in a popular forum it got index by msn and yahoo Smile
Author: seo
Post Subject:

quote:
Originally posted by Excelsior
... but after a couple days of adding it to my sig in a popular forum it got index by msn and yahoo Smile

... but not indexed in Google ... yet?
Author: Excelsior
Post Subject:

quote:
Originally posted by seo
quote:
Originally posted by Excelsior
... but after a couple days of adding it to my sig in a popular forum it got index by msn and yahoo Smile

... but not indexed in Google ... yet?


yep google hasnt index it as yet, that shows you something is really up with google, as google has alway index my website before yahoo.
Author: seo
Post Subject:

quote:
Originally posted by Excelsior
yep google hasnt index it as yet, that shows you something is really up with google, as google has alway index my website before yahoo.

Ok, that makes me feel better. I have a new site as well, and this is the one; http://news.allthedestinations.com/ . It's indexed in Yahoo and MSN, but it's not indexed in Google. So ... something funny is going on ...
Author: Excelsior
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yes google is acting pretty weird as i have add two new article to my website at the same time and google has index only one. there is something really wrong with google at the moment. Twisted Evil
Author: ewwharhar
Post Subject:

Im not sure about google acting up, but all I know is if you get linked from a pr 6 site, your site gets indexed right away. Guess your new sites needs to be submitted to some directories with HIGH PR.
Author: iatbm
Post Subject:

I never submit to paid ones, since there are so many good free ones. You should always check if directory is not banned and if there are indexed pages in google. If so go and submit it doesn't matter if pr0 or 10 just submit and forget about it.
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XHTML validation

Author: iatbm
Post Subject: Do you validate your design ?

Do you check your html, xhtml and css through w3c validation checker ?

Do you think that it is important that designs are 100% valid ?
Author: seo
Post Subject:

I check occasionally but not religiously. I do not think that it helps SEO much, but I do think that it serves you. Making a standard compliant html cleans up your html and makes it easier to maintain.
Author: iatbm
Post Subject:

No it really does not help SEO. It makes html clean I agree but come on if you make target="_blank" .... then you cannot validate your xhtml design. That is stupid, but most rules are Wink
Author: seo
Post Subject:

quote:
Originally posted by iatbm
No it really does not help SEO. It makes html clean I agree but come on if you make target="_blank" .... then you cannot validate your xhtml design. That is stupid, but most rules are Wink
code:

<a href="document.html" rel="external">external link</a>

 function externalLinks()
{
    if (!document.getElementsByTagName)
    {
        return;
    }
    var anchors = document.getElementsByTagName("a");
    for (var i=0; i<anchors.length; i++)
    {
        var anchor = anchors[i];
        if (anchor.getAttribute("href") &&
            anchor.getAttribute("rel") == "external")
        {
            anchor.target = "_blank";
        }
    }
}
window.onload = externalLinks;


http://www.sitepoint.com/article/standards-compliant-world
Author: iatbm
Post Subject:

too much code .... slower site ... not worth just to have valid design
Author: seo
Post Subject:

quote:
Originally posted by iatbm
too much code .... slower site ... not worth just to have valid design
You can put this in an external css code. After that, you can just replace target="_blank" with rel="external".
Author: rmwebs
Post Subject:

I do yes, however when it comes to having to do it to a forum system i dont as i feel it would be such a complicated task to perform.
Author: iatbm
Post Subject:

unless you use punbb.org Wink It is xhtml/css compliant !
I just cannot show how much I like that piece of software
Author: domainaddicted.com
Post Subject:

I check every so often, its really not that important to me.
Author: htmlmaster
Post Subject:

I always code to be valid. The first time I did it as a challenge and ever since it's been reflexive. I advise it to everyone because valid sites are usually cross-browser compatible (except for IE because IE just sucks with CSS).
Author: iatbm
Post Subject:

Yes too many hacks ... and if you want your beautiful site to work with IE validation is not 100%
Author: seo
Post Subject:

quote:
Originally posted by iatbm
Yes too many hacks ... and if you want your beautiful site to work with IE validation is not 100%
You can make it work, but you often need to find a workaround and approach html coding a little differently.
Author: Zerabira
Post Subject:

I put a site through a validator once and never returned after seeing all the errors. I've got too much to do without worrying about that right now. Very sloppy I know but I'll worry about it if it becomes an issue. What are the major concerns with not completely compliant code?
Author: seo
Post Subject:

quote:
Originally posted by Zerabira
What are the major concerns with not completely compliant code?

The site doesn't look consist in different browsers and OSs.
Author: dojo
Post Subject:

No. I don't care about this and nor do my clients. I make unique layouts and make sure the sites look very good and function as they should in mozilla firefox and IE. Validating the code is not something I pay too much attention. I don't have the time for this

How to pick a good domain name

Author: seo
Post Subject: How do you pick your new domain name?

How do you pick your new domain name?
Author: LucnetSolutions
Post Subject:

I focus on what my content is about and try my best to get something related to that content of my site.
Author: seo
Post Subject:

Do you ask around in various forums?
Author: LucnetSolutions
Post Subject:

If I think I need to I will. Depends on what type of questions I may have and what kind of information I find related to the site.
Author: htmlmaster
Post Subject:

Sum up all of the content on your site in a short word or phrase. I usually come up with a title, which I often use as a basis for the domain, before I think of all the content though, so this is never an issue.
Author: domainaddicted.com
Post Subject:

I try to pick a domain that tells what the website is about before the user even gets there.
Author: iatbm
Post Subject:

I just go to www.whois.sc domain suggestion tool and type in keywords. I get some examples there and then either I use suggested ones or make my own combination
Author: highpeak
Post Subject:

I tend to try and get names that relate to the product on offer. Up to yet I have managed to get some good names, but it is getting harder and harder to find very good names. It takes a few hours of brainstorming names and keep trying there availability.
Author: iatbm
Post Subject:

It is best to go with keyword ofcourse but like you said it is very hard to get good domains. And a lot of them are registered and just sitting empty. I don't like that politics of parked domains Sad
Author: capebretoner
Post Subject:

I think that since keywords are getting harder and harder to come by I am looking for names that I can market. They just have to be short and catchy. Something like Fark.com etc...
Author: iatbm
Post Subject:

or iollo.com Wink .... i really like that one hehe I registered it and put some content sitting there hehe

but it is better to have keyword even if you have to go with .net or .org
Author: seo
Post Subject:

quote:
Originally posted by iatbm

but it is better to have keyword even if you have to go with .net or .org

I avoid .org extension. It's designed for non-profit organizations. Although some for-profit sites use .org extension, it just doesn't look right. It doesn't send a right message.
Author: Ant
Post Subject:

basic rules for me have always been short but descriptive, easy to spell and on either a .com or .co.uk

Ant
Author: Zerabira
Post Subject:

Shorter the better, easy to say out loud in one phase with out having to explain bits of of it, relevant keywords.
Author: seo
Post Subject:

quote:
Originally posted by Zerabira
Shorter the better, easy to say out loud in one phase with out having to explain bits of of it, relevant keywords.
Yeah, I agree though this site has a pretty long domain name Sad .

Commercial Services

Author: iatbm
Post Subject: Will you switch to....

Google Checkout from Paypal if Google ever make this kind of paying system ?

It is getting really annoying for us who cannot receive money through Paypal so I am waiting for this one.

What will you do. Will you switch.

I hope also that google will make it possible to transfer adsense earnings to the system
Author: seo
Post Subject:

Direct deposit works fine, but I do think that Google should give another payout option like PayPal. I'm guessing that Google doesn't want to make PayPal payout option available simply because they want to offer their version of PayPal only.
Author: iatbm
Post Subject:

Google sure has the resources to do that and I really hope they will offer this kind of service. If they do I bet the next thing is that they will start selling something Very Happy
Author: seo
Post Subject:

I'm not that crazy about their future, and I mentioned a couple of times in this forum already, but I don't know why so many people think Google is such an amazing company. I mean, search engine is the only product that has a solid market share and creates a platform to generate revenue, i.e., AdWords. Google has nothing else right now. Yahoo has a bunch of revenue sources. So does Microsoft. Even eBay does more than just online auction. What's so special about Google? Google has no track record other than SE + AdWords.
Author: iatbm
Post Subject:

Well still Google makes more than competitors. It is not that people think it is such amazing company. Simple thing is that people believe and trust google. And they have a lot of other products.
I find this one very good and with bright future

http://www.google.com/gmm/index.html?utm_source=us-et-more&utm_medium=et&utm_campaign=gmm
Author: seo
Post Subject:

Probably just acquired some company and branded as "Google XYZ ..."

Well, I should let this go for now ... I can go on and on.

With regard to the original post, I think that Google should just make PayPal payout option available. I think that's what many publishers want, so why not do that?
Author: iatbm
Post Subject:

Well from your point of view ok, but what about us who can't receive payments through paypal ? Twisted Evil

I have to use moneybookers which is great payment system but online business is made through paypal mostly and no one wants to join moneybookers just to pay you 10 dollars for a link.

And when google announce their payment system be sure that a lot of people will switch to theirs and they will get a lot of new customers who cannot use paypal !
Author: htmlmaster
Post Subject:

I'll take a look at it, see what it has to offer, and possibly use it.
Author: seo
Post Subject:

quote:
Originally posted by iatbm
Well from your point of view ok, but what about us who can't receive payments through paypal ? Twisted Evil

I have to use moneybookers which is great payment system but online business is made through paypal mostly and no one wants to join moneybookers just to pay you 10 dollars for a link.

And when google announce their payment system be sure that a lot of people will switch to theirs and they will get a lot of new customers who cannot use paypal !

PayPal is not aggressively localizing its platform; they really should. That would help everyone, I mean, everyone. Retrospectively speaking, I wonder what would've happened if eBay didn't acquire PayPal.
Author: Zerabira
Post Subject:

Any competition for paypal is good, multiple options is obviously better (in a similar vien I long to see a non US alternative to adsense). I've also heard of people having their accounts limited by paypal once they reach a certain ammount of turnover. Has anyone had any experience of that?
Author: seo
Post Subject:

quote:
Originally posted by Zerabira
I've also heard of people having their accounts limited by paypal once they reach a certain ammount of turnover. Has anyone had any experience of that?

What do you mean by "turnover" specifically?
Author: Zerabira
Post Subject:

Well from what I read on sitepoint forums, once they hit a certain money figure, possibly transactions via paypal or receiving payments. They weren't totally clear in their post though so that's all I know.
Author: iatbm
Post Subject:

Sure there must be some limit until you are verified by paypal !
They have this on moneybookers. You cannot have transactions bigger that 1200 dollars I think and there is time limit also 90 days !
Author: capebretoner
Post Subject:

I will probably not switch for a long time. I have everything set up nicely in PP. It will take even Google a couple of years to get everything figured out and all of the bugs out.

And as the PP limiting thing, you have to get verified which is not difficult at all and if you are reputable then you shouldn't worry about giving PP your phone number. That is pretty nmuch all it takes then they call you with the activation number. Oh yeah you have to have a bank account attached too.
Author: Zerabira
Post Subject:

So it is definitely only unverified accounts that have limits?

How long does DMOZ take to list a newly submitted site?

Author: seo
Post Subject: How long does DMOZ take to list your site?

Once you submit your site to DMOZ, how long does it take to list the site?
Author: killbalance
Post Subject:

Usually a year, it all depends
Author: highpeak
Post Subject:

Hi

In my case - never, I have never been able to get in for any of my sites Rolling Eyes It is a shame as once in the dmoz directory is syndicated everywhere on 1000s of sites. One link there and you get loads of inbound links.
Author: rmwebs
Post Subject:

None of my sites were ever added Sad Theres a site i owned (still online) which i submitted around 2-3 years ago and it still isnt listed.
Author: seo
Post Subject:

I'm guessing that getting listed in DMOZ can bring up your TrustRank and it really helps your SERP in Google, but a year is a long time to wait.
Author: highpeak
Post Subject:

Hi

The timeline is not necessarily a year, it can be hours, days, weeks, months or year(s) - it all depends on how active the category manager (volunteer) is at dealing with new submissions. It is always worth the effort to try and get into the directory - I've failed miserably so far though Crying or Very sad
Author: seo
Post Subject:

quote:
Originally posted by highpeak
It is always worth the effort to try and get into the directory - I've failed miserably so far though Crying or Very sad

Have you contacted your category's editor?
Author: highpeak
Post Subject:

I have ages ago, but I have given up on it for now, I may try again with all my sites, if just one could get in I would be happy
Author: SKETCHi
Post Subject:

I submitted one of my sites last year, as far as I know it's still not listed... I've been doing fine without it though, you probably shouldn't get too caught up on it. There are other high PR directories out there... Then again, I haven't submitted to any of those Very Happy.
Author: highpeak
Post Subject:

I am not overly bothered, but the real power of dmoz is the fact that it is syndicated across many websites, 10's of 1000's of websites. I even used to have dmoz showing in one of my sites. The script running this showed the directory exactly the same as at dmoz itself but on my URL. So, if you can get into a high level part of the directory in dmoz then you will benefit from the high google PR from dmoz itself, but also, from many other sites that have achieved good google PR on the higher categories. This way you receive many 1000's of link backs all of which have your anchor text. That can only be good news.

Other directories do not share this power
Author: Rooted
Post Subject:

I had one site that got in within a month.. it really depends on the category and the editor in that category.

It is a good idea to check the page you are submitting to and see when the editor last made any changes to that section. It tells you in small print at the bottom of the page. I submitted a site but the page I submitted it to hadn't had any editing done to it for over a year so I knew not to hold my breath on that one. Other editors are all caught up and just waiting for some new sites to consider.
Author: highpeak
Post Subject:

Hi

There are lots of categories with no editor, can you submit to these parts of the directory and get listed, or do you need to wait until someone gets the editor job for that category??
Author: Rooted
Post Subject:

There are suppose to be higher ranking editors who handle the duties for their sub-categories until an editor is recruited for those areas. Unfortunately, I don't think that is the case with every section and there are probably a few sub-categories that have been neglected. I'm sure that is a small minority, though.
Author: rmwebs
Post Subject:

Yes, many catagories are very neglected - some editors very rarely do any work, IMHO DMoz needs to take action against them...they shouldnt be given editor privilages if they cant be bothered to do the work.
Author: seo
Post Subject:

I do not mind the fact that DMOZ is not as well-maintained as, say, uh, Yahoo directory. What bothers me is that the fact that Google makes an entire copy AND THEN it uses DMOZ as the quality indicator. This is not the most ideal model, IMO.

Web promotion utilizing forum signatures

Author: seo
Post Subject: Forum signature link

What's your take on Forum signature link?
Author: altyfc
Post Subject:

I'm not sure they carry much PR or anything like that, but I don't think they do any harm. If I did, I wouldn't bother with one... Smile

Aaron
Author: seo
Post Subject:

It adds up over time, IMO. There are a set keywords that I'm targeting using signature links, and I'll see what happens.
Author: rmwebs
Post Subject:

Be sure to report back - Sig links are more for humans than search engines though.
Author: highpeak
Post Subject:

Hi

As your presence becomes more frequent on a forum and the advice you give is good then I think out of curiosity people click through a sig link to see what you are about, what you do etc
Author: altyfc
Post Subject:

I'm not convinced on how beneficial they are as far as anchor text is concerned. Their main benefit IMO is just through other forum members seeing them and clicking through.

Aaron
Author: iatbm
Post Subject:

Signature link is great ! .... first you get some visitors, second you get backlink, and third most important ... you can really get spidered quickly if you have signature on forum with a lot activity.

Secret is more activity forum has ... more are SE spiders over it !
Author: SKETCHi
Post Subject:

Signature links really do work well. If you're helpful, or just a good poster, people will probably click the links. It also does help your search engine ranking, at least on popular forums it will help.

On sites like SitePoint and NamePros a signature link can be very good, especially if you're active and post in active topics.
Author: seo
Post Subject:

quote:
Originally posted by SKETCHi
On sites like SitePoint and NamePros a signature link can be very good, especially if you're active and post in active topics.

Sitepoint no longer makes sig links visible to SE though.
Author: Rizzo
Post Subject:

I've never really thought about it, i know that a few of my members found me because of a sig link, so i guess it isn't a bad thing.
Author: contactsonia
Post Subject:

There is no harm in having signatures. They can only benefit you in many way so why don't spare a few minutes and put the signatures Smile

BTW, why I am not able to hyperlink in my signatures? Any ideas?
Author: seo
Post Subject:

quote:
Originally posted by contactsonia
BTW, why I am not able to hyperlink in my signatures? Any ideas?

... trying using [ url ][ /url ] in addition to [ b ][ /b ].
Author: capebretoner
Post Subject:

I think that sigs are no harm to the admin but some users insist on them. There was a lot of negative feedback when sitepoint made their sigs nofollow.

I like links in the sigs just because there is some traffic, no matter how moderate, to my sites from the forums that I post in.
Author: seo
Post Subject:

quote:
Originally posted by capebretoner
I think that sigs are no harm to the admin but some users insist on them. There was a lot of negative feedback when sitepoint made their sigs nofollow.

Google counted IBL coming from sitepoint, and sitepoint had very high PR. You can actually get your new site listed in all search engines pretty easily and you can also get some PR just by using sig links in sitepoint.
Author: capebretoner
Post Subject:

I actually just put a link in my sig at DP if I ever want to get a page indexed. I make a couple of posts and BANG a day later the site is indexed and usually cached.

Making money online

Author: seo
Post Subject: Best way to make money online

What's the best way to make money online?
Author: rmwebs
Post Subject:

Probably via Poker and online gaming...quite a bit of dosh there! Mr. Green
Author: seo
Post Subject:

Ok, sure, pornography and gambling sites generate a lot of revenue and profit. I don't think that anyone disagrees. What are others?
Author: altyfc
Post Subject:

Unique, content-rich sites. Get high traffic to them in and you'll be 'quids in' with good AdSense integration.

Aaron
Author: rmwebs
Post Subject:

big forums Smile with 100k+ members and 5-8 adverts on every page, you will make in excess of 40k a month.
Author: highpeak
Post Subject:

I agree a trusted forum with a big and active membership could potentially be a goldmine.
Author: seo
Post Subject:

quote:
Originally posted by rmwebs
big forums Smile with 100k+ members and 5-8 adverts on every page, you will make in excess of 40k a month.

100k+ members ... ok, how long does it take to get there? How much time and effort do you need?
Author: highpeak
Post Subject:

Hi

Well look at Martin Lewis of MoneySavingExpert.com, he has got there because he appears on TV, the radio, magazines and newspapers... that particular forum has a massive membership well in excess of 100K

For mere mortals without the aide of TV, radio, newspapers etc it is almost mission impossible.
Author: seo
Post Subject:

quote:
Originally posted by highpeak
For mere mortals without the aide of TV, radio, newspapers etc it is almost mission impossible.

Ok, but how about forums like

sitepoint
webmaster world
digital point
and ... number of boards listed on big-boards.com?
Author: highpeak
Post Subject:

OK fair enough... it is possible then, I suppose being first in your field and also on a popular subject does help immensly
Author: seo
Post Subject:

Many of webmaster forums accumulate so many posts quickly. For example, I have five forums, and this forum is growing at the fastest pace by far.
Author: SKETCHi
Post Subject:

Porn and gambling sites are a given... I think AdSense and YPN can earn you a good amount of money if they are integrated well. I just started making mini sites, kind of as a test to see if I can make some easy money. You can see what I'm talking about by clicking here .

The best way is to come up with a unique and very popular idea. A gre